My journey – I shall talk about my journey and this had a lot lessons for me, sure you too will gain
- 10-12 years were FMCG – my learnings – P&G, Reckitt, Balsara
- Some best practices of customer interactions come from FMCG
- Sales distribution (Fulfilment) and marketing (generating)
- In life common sense is not common, simple things are not made to be simple
- Difference between brand and commodity, happens due to marketing
- The importance of brand emerges there
- Brand managers are considered important, they are groomed as BRAND CEOs
- All P&G brands are built
- Dettol brand manager is like a CEO of Dettol
- So are for every brand at P&G – Everything for the brand he is responsible
- Holi grail of marketing
- Structured Process, defined and followed
- Packaging and PR comes next
- Writing creative brief
- “If you are not able to put a process in one page, you cannot exist”
- Ability to convert thoughts into one sheet of paper is very important and key to execution
- Writing an inverted memo
- In schools, we write composition, starting with introduction, explanation….
- In P&G conclusion will always on the top
- Say, The budget has to be on the top….
- Why you need it, will follow…
- SALES – in FMCG
- How many started with Sales
- HDFC Bank – Morning huddle every day (Navneet Anand)
- Numbers chasing
- Who are the ones we are chasing
- Where are we in each case
- Do you chase the end-customers of intermediaries?
- Chase the targeted market – product centric? Geography?
- HDFC Bank – Morning huddle every day (Navneet Anand)
- FMCG retail sales at P&G used to happen as follows
- Cover 50 outlets every day in a market (Beat of 30-50) outlets
- Have the (PJP) permanent journey plan
- Define every day – PJP – everyday plan – 5 W 1 H defined for every day
- So, you have structured approach to sales
- My son is FMCG does same in Pune
- Same thing he is doing after 30 years…what I did then… the process are so sound
- How many started with Sales
- Balsara was taken over by Dabar
The brands include….
- Babool and promise, Meswak
- Odonil, Odopic, Sanifresh
- Portfolio planning is very important
- We had a 40-50 crore of marketing budget
- Typically this was divided equally among all the brands
- I changed it
- Focused on Babool, then odonil and odomus
- Babool moved from 2% to 8% of the market share
- Sometimes you have to focus on one brand and pump money to gain larger share
- In those days we spent a lot on advertising on TV
- TV viewing goes to all neighboring countries
- Why don’t we sell the products in SAARC countries
- Recruited a sales head for SAARC
- Bangladesh, Myanmar, Srilanka, Maldives, Nepal
- Pakistan sold through Dubai
- From these countries, we got 20-30Cr from very quickly, of the 200 cr turnover; almost 10-15% of the topline

- Question by SUNIL: Any strategic Alliances to increase the distribution…?
- National sales head is responsible for India
- Why do not we capture new Geography was the thought
- Two of us travelled to set up distribution network
- At one or two places, we need to tie up for manufacturing (Bangladesh)
- In Sri Lanka, we did strategic tie-up with biggest distributor
- Eg. R J Corp in Delhi – Pepsi bottler becomes a big brand from being a distributor in their earliest avatar (Study about them)
- Strategic happened when Dabur acquired Balsara
- I was reporting to the CEO, 12 years my senior from IIMC
- I was the COO, I became point man for integration
- We integrated with having the best interests of the both integrating companies companies
- I was junior
- I had two offers from both, Dabur (Delhi) and Balsara (Mumbai)
- I took Mumbai job…
- Brands might get sold, but essence of brand remain same
- National sales head is responsible for India
- In FMCG, brand must be occupying the mind space and not shelf space (SUNIL questioned)
- According to me 2-3 things we need to do, for any brand
- What the insight is – good quality comes from insight
- Must be consistent to address the needs
- Babool was poor mans Colgate (1+1)
- They did not have reasons for buying
- People want to feel fresh, that becomes the key
- The communication got created around it
- Prasoon Joshi did it
- Insight – Toothpaste means morning freshness
- A lot of products get built on packaging
- Dettol – Anticeptic 100% bath was the value proposition that catapulted the brand
- Now it has become fragmented due to too many variants emerging
- Daughter brand became bigger than mother brand
- Mother is 200cr, the Dettol antiseptic liquid
- Daughter, Dettol soap is now 3000Cr
- Reckitt became successful because of Dettol soap
- Savlon has not become that big…
- According to me 2-3 things we need to do, for any brand
- Question by Anita: Speed of execution is the key
- FMCG or Telecom, mindset changes quickly
- During the COVID we need to be quicker to claim the market…
- ANSWER
- IN FMCG marketing speed can be 1 month
- IN Telecom it was need to be done in one week
- In a few industries the turnaround needs a few hours
- PAYTM came up with an ad having the PM pic, within hours of Demonetization
- Quickly we need to respond to the shifts and changes
- As things are going, we need to do quickly
- From a product to another product, mindset changes quickly
- We need to give information quickly
- Wife needing to buy a Washing Machine
- Asked her to do research
- Washer and Drier
- Front loading
- Samsung and Voltas Beko shortlisted
- Sent messages to the CMO of both companies
- Whoever responded quickly, I will buy, I thought
- Voltas responded first and went for it..
- Asked her to do research
- Wife needing to buy a Washing Machine
- FIFTH P of marketing is PACE
- Lot of companies changing
- TATA Harrier (I bought for power)
- Took various test drives of various makes
- In the process, they do not have process of whatsapp etc for prompt exchange messages and responses , they use landline…
- The large companies do not have it….are archaic
- They want everything NON-VOICE…they do not want to talk…
- We need to give information quickly
- TELECOM (Orange-hutch-Vodafone; Reliance Communication)
- Biggest learning in Telecom (Hutch)
- Strategic planning cycle moved to six days from six months of FMCG
- Hutch bought over eastern India circle..
- Integration to be done
- In telecom planning construct was just seven days
- Every circle has 2-3 players
- How to decide on tariff
- How to launch – speed of execution critical
- Hutch bought over eastern India circle..
- How to do packaging
- Pre-paid product helped to increase tele-density
- Banking people has not been able to do
- Hopefully the fintech will convert banking into such a space
- Telecom thus became FMCG like
- Strategic planning cycle moved to six days from six months of FMCG
- At Reliance
- Worked with both brothers, Anil and Mukesh,
- Question: ANY change that you made in people’s mind in Telecom
- Answer
- We understood that people buy telecom network because of quality of network
- The Hutchinson Pug campaign…where ever you go we are with you…came from that insight
- In reliance communication
- One decision I took was
- 2011 – Advertising point of view
- Communication perspective
- Brand ambassador – Hrithik Roshan
- He was being paid 15Cr for 1 year endorsement
- I wanted to get one
- Anushka and Ranveer – Band, Baaja baraat released
- Both came for 1.5Cr
- Interview with Ranveer went bad…he wanted to sign on every advertising campaign brief.
- We got Rann Vijay…paid 20 lakhs…got both in 95 lakhs
- It became a big success..
- At the time, for one movie wonder – Anushka..
- You must take the call with belief that it will work
- It is like a stock…
- One decision I took was
- We understood that people buy telecom network because of quality of network
- Answer
- Biggest learning in Telecom (Hutch)
- Reliance mobile was stagnant
- Was considered poor man’s brand
- Used by economically marginal families
- Anushka brought younger crowd, it rubbed on the brand
- Was considered poor man’s brand
NEXT PHASE
- First employee of Reliance Retail
- Started by building Reliance Digital
- Modern retail was built
- Reliance did not have any idea of consumer business, as they were in B2B, Petro-centric
- First thing was to get B2C mindset
- We need to add SME – Subject Matter Experts – to be added from various companies
- I was doing the role of knowledge transfer – from westerners recruited from Walmart, …
- It was very hard times, doing 72-80 hours in a week work
- Unlike Reliance, DMART built everything bottoms up
- BASICS
- PER cycle
- Planning
- Execution
- Review
- In Indian companies, very little time is invested on Planning and Review, more on execution
- One of the most important thing, invest time most on planning
- As CMO 1500 stores across 10-12 formats
- All non-lifestyle formats I was handling
- Complexity was very high
- Supply-chain teams, Store-managers were to be facilitated
- Uniformity and standardization important
- Promotions were standardized
- Pricing for same product across the geographies was different due to procurement; but process were standardized
- Planning is important
- Event related sales very important – Raksha Bandhan, Dusshera, Deepawali..
- Months ahead of the event all negotiations happen with likes of Cadbury, Frooti.
- We will have only a few black-swan events
- PER cycle
2015 – Fairfax, Thomas Cook, sterling Holidays
- Sterling – Overhaul of the offerings
- I changed the model into time-share and hotel mode
- 45% resorts – 55% hotels : Business model change
- Diversification of portfolio
- During COVID time share paid off, as people were fed up of being at home and came to work from these properties
- Previously our resorts were green field, we moved to asset-light
- Sterling was positioned as experiential holidays
- For Discoveries and Experiences, Come to Sterling Holidays
- In a services marketing, it is about the last mile service, not just marketing..
- Travelled to all the Resorts and hotels, where everyone knows me
- Chefs must create great quality dishes…
- I changed the model into time-share and hotel mode
- You must give a lot of attention to people – services part
- ALWAYS RELAUNCH THE PRODUCT TO THE CUSTOMERS WITHIN – BRAND BOOKLET
- Every person must know everything about the brand
- A lot of training – it has a very big role to play in
- 2020 to now…
- I have been in education space …
- COO and CBO –
- Vibgyor schools
- Funnel -à Leads à appointments à enrolment
- PreCovid – 100 leads
- 40 from digital
- 60 non-digital
- We moved to 80-20 now
- Changing money allocation to make it happen – April 2000
- What is your cost per lead? Need to know
- Cost per lead
- Cost per acquisition 8%
- RPU for product?
- FOR MBA product –?
- COST per acquisition…
- Marketing acquisition cost, is it 8-10%
- Cost per lead for school – Industry analysis
- Cost per lead is 500-600 Rs for school
- I wanted it to happen at 300
- Simple – Cost of acquisition is important, as much as Cost of Lead
- We tracked it every week…
- We spent on those that gave most return
- Any tips and tricks that you use to get
- Product is closest to real CAT
- Use google and facebook,
- On facebook
- Geo-targeting
- Most specific “Best CAT”
- Document it to transfer to all
- My learning SPECIFIC
- Adwords – Vibgyor –
- Found that “Best K12 school in Airoli”, “Best K12 school in Goregoan”, such keywords gave better results…
- Lot of searches happen after office hours…
- So on Google we changed “School open till 12pm, even though school closes at 5”
- Searching of where the school is….
- Name the road as Vibgyor road
- Aeroli Vibgyor road on google
- Name the road as Vibgyor road
- Adwords – Vibgyor –
- Vibgyor schools
- Social media and search important
- Friends everything will change every year. Change is constant
- Google reviews –
- Individual school team has to get 100 google reviews every month
- Get the parents to put the review..
- School is very engaged product….
- The Google Reviews help the brand percolation
- Check on YOUTUBE vibgyor channel…
- 45 videos were made for every process…
- Bus systems better
- Security
- Canteen system
- Portability of the child (all 45 schools, same curriculum same day)
- Between Pune and Bangalore – seamless transfer…
- The chairman and vice-chairman
- Make the sales standardized
- Feature – A – B – C – D…
- 45 videos were made for every process…
POST COVID scenario
- Growthshyft.com that I am now involved with
- Personalize mentoring – with battery of industrial gurus, many from My institutional and Work world fraternity
- 3 things
- Your communication skills must be very good
- Power of Videos – Videos impact hugely
- Using all types of technologies
- Process – Send me on Whatsapp, before we talk so that I do the homework
- It puts a little bit of burden on management
- TRUST needs to be high
- Reason for using the brand has to be compelling
I am with BRIGHTCOM now….
- Fastest growing digital advertising company
- On Board of a few NGOs
- MagicBus – education and life-skills
Three most important things for the nation to work upon, looking forward….One of my friends in politics is working in Delhi!
- Building HEALTH INFRA
- Building EDUCATION INFRA
- POPULATIION CONTROL
- Building EDUCATION INFRA
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